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The Year 1957 Revised

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AP Top 10: Final Record -- Key Bowl Results

1. Auburn: 10-0-0 -- NONE

2. Ohio State: 9-1-0 -- W, Rose, 10-7

3. Michigan State: 8-1-0 -- NONE

4. Oklahoma: 10-1-0 -- W, Orange, 48-21

5. Navy: 9-1-1 -- W, Cotton, 20-7

6. Iowa: 7-1-1 -- NONE

7. Mississippi: 9-1-1 -- W, Sugar, 39-7

8. Rice: 7-4-0 -- L, Cotton, 7-20

9. Texas A&M: 8-3-0 -- L, Gator, 0-3

10. Notre Dame: 7-3-0 -- NONE

Some notes here: Arizona State, coached by Dan Devine, went 10-0-0 but

didn't play in a bowl game. They finished #12 in the country with a

38% SOS rating. So they get props, but they are not a part of this

discussion. Also, A&M started off 8-0 before losing its last three

games by a combined SIX points. That sucks for them and Coach Bryant.

Finally, aubu*n was on probation, so their ranking and NC goes

out the window here.

This leaves us with Ohio State, Michigan State, Oklahoma and

Mississippi as teams with legit claims to the NC. We can eliminate

Sparty right away, because like 1955, they didn't win their

conference. A seven-point home loss to 5-4 Purdue costs the Spartans

big time, but not really as Ohio State would have trumped them anyway

as a Big Ten squad with a bowl win AND a better SOS rating (see

below).

Mississippi is an interesting consideration: they finished second in

the SEC to aubu*n, but we know aubu*n isn't being considered due to their problem.

The two teams didn't play each other, and they were the only two SEC teams with fewer

than two conference losses (neither aubu*n or Mississippi lost in

conference play, although the Rebels did have a tie -- which cost them

first place). But with aubu*n on probation, we have a dilemma: do we

count aubu*n's SEC title even though they were on probation? If

they're not eligible for a NC award, are they eligible for the SEC

title?

Ole Miss has a strong case, so let's deal with that first: with an SOS

rating of 53%, they have wins over 5-3-2 Vanderbilt (a 28-0 road

shutout), 5-4-1 Houston, #13 Tennessee (14-7 road win over the 8-3

Vols), and #11 Texas in the Sugar Bowl (the 'Horns were 6-4-1

overall). They lost at home to 6-4 Arkansas (then in the SWC, of

course) by six points, and they tied #14 Mississippi State (6-2-1) on

the road. Overall, an impressive slate, but we still have to resolve

that earlier question. Stay tuned ...

Oklahoma did play a better schedule in 1958, so they are in the

conversation. In fact, they played a decent schedule (51% SOS rating).

They beat #11 Texas on the road by 14 points, they shut out 5-4-1

Kansas by 47 points at home, they beat 6-3-1 Colorado at home, they

beat 5-4-1 Missouri on the road by 25 points, they beat 6-3-1 Oklahoma

State by 47 points at home. And they pounded #16 Duke (6-3-2) in the

Orange Bowl. Their one loss, famously, was a 7-0 home loss to #10

Notre Dame, ending that 57-game winning streak they'd been building

since 1953. Overall, an impressive resume.

Finally, we have Ohio State: the Buckeyes lost their first game at

home to 6-4-1 TCU by four points, and then ran the table. They beat

#19 Wisconsin (6-3) by three points on the road, they beat 5-4 Purdue

at home, they beat #6 Iowa at home, they beat 5-3-1 Michigan on the

road by 17 points, and they beat 7-4 Oregon in the Rose Bowl. Overall,

though, their SOS rating (48%) falls behind Oklahoma and Mississippi.

So, what to do? Ohio State has the weakest SOS and the weakest bowl

win. They lose out there, and that eliminates them since all the teams

have one loss. Ironic, but TCU and Arkansas were both 2-4 in the SWC,

so those are hurtful losses, considering Oklahoma lost only to a Top

10 team. Oklahoma wins almost all comparisons here, save the SOS

rating -- but even that was relatively close to Mississippi's rating

(53-51). The bowl victories are relatively close, too, with

Mississippi's win over Texas perhaps slightly better than the Sooners'

win over Duke.

So with the Buckeyes out, it's between Oklahoma and Mississippi. So

that second-place question becomes important. Or does it? Oklahoma's

biggest blemish is the smallest blemish in this comparison, and since

the SOS ratings and bowl wins are close enough, the Sooners' loss is

much better than the Rebels' loss AND tie.

This year, Oklahoma earned it.

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Great post buddy!

I did one for 1962 also, Rebel Chuck. You will like it even better. I am getting ready to post it, make sure to check it out.

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The problem with this argument is that you are imposing todays rules on what happened in 1957. At that time a team being on probation had no effect on a team being awarded championships. Also, the AP & UPI both awarded their NC before the bowl games. If memory serves me correct there are a few of Bama's NC's that were awarded at the end of the season only to find them losing their bowl game a few weeks later. I think it was 1965 & 1973 if I remember correctly.

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The problem with this argument is that you are imposing todays rules on what happened in 1957. At that time a team being on probation had no effect on a team being awarded championships. Also, the AP & UPI both awarded their NC before the bowl games. If memory serves me correct there are a few of Bama's NC's that were awarded at the end of the season only to find them losing their bowl game a few weeks later. I think it was 1965 & 1973 if I remember correctly.

Which coincidentally still puts us at 9 more, which is also the record for the streak of wins in the series. Guess it was just meant to be then. :thumpsup:

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Is this an Alabama fan living in the past? No way...

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so now we have to go back 50 years to justify how good our team USED to be?? thats really pathetic. i'd rather come from the barn that a trailer (bama).

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so now we have to go back 50 years to justify how good our team USED to be?? thats really pathetic. i'd rather come from the barn that a trailer (bama).

Spoken like someone who has never been to Lee County. :laugh:

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Spoken like someone who has never been to Lee County. :laugh:

auNecks walk up a dirt road lined with trailers that is named Wire Road on their way to the Jungle to watch their aubu*n team play on a field named after a slobbering drunk who got them put on probation for cheating "keep it down home cuz" and then didn't even have the balls to stick around and quit.

I feel sorry for them, I really do.

HOW TO GET A FIELD NAMED AFTER YOURSELF AT aubu*n U.

1. Serve as head coach for 25 years.

2. Compile a 9-16 record against your instate rival

3. Win 6 games or less 10 times during those 25 years

4. Appear in 2 (TWO) major bowl games, and lose both.

5. Win one probation tainted SEC title.

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yeah yeah. you guys are just pissed off because we are about to beat the "good ole bear bryant's" record of nine consecutive Iron Bowl wins. too bad hes not still alive and could actually help that dumb ass Saban character out. without him, i'm afriad the "bama nation" will never return to its splendor. i actually used to have respect for bama fans, but then they stopped winning and took up the sport of professional whining. once you guys actually admit that your team might not be as great as you all seem to imagine it to be, i might respect bama fans to some degree.

oh and if you're gonna back talk Jordan, whos in the college football hall of fame AND alabama sports hall of fame, shug or bear?

and at least our program can at least be "decent" unlike yours without our most valued and missed coach....

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yeah yeah. you guys are just pissed off because we are about to beat the "good ole bear bryant's" record of nine consecutive Iron Bowl wins. too bad hes not still alive and could actually help that dumb ass Saban character out. without him, i'm afriad the "bama nation" will never return to its splendor. i actually used to have respect for bama fans, but then they stopped winning and took up the sport of professional whining. once you guys actually admit that your team might not be as great as you all seem to imagine it to be, i might respect bama fans to some degree.

oh and if you're gonna back talk Jordan, whos in the college football hall of fame AND alabama sports hall of fame, shug or bear?

and at least our program can at least be "decent" unlike yours without our most valued and missed coach....

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Bama won championships with and without Bryant, the same cant be said about "The Shug" and Auburn. As for your loss of respect for Bama fans, we'll get by...somehow.

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yeah yeah. you guys are just pissed off because we are about to beat the "good ole bear bryant's" record of nine consecutive Iron Bowl wins. too bad hes not still alive and could actually help that dumb ass Saban character out. without him, i'm afriad the "bama nation" will never return to its splendor. i actually used to have respect for bama fans, but then they stopped winning and took up the sport of professional whining. once you guys actually admit that your team might not be as great as you all seem to imagine it to be, i might respect bama fans to some degree.

oh and if you're gonna back talk Jordan, whos in the college football hall of fame AND alabama sports hall of fame, shug or bear?

and at least our program can at least be "decent" unlike yours without our most valued and missed coach....

First of all, who mentioned Shug Jordan? No one did. The problem with you auNecks is that you don't know your football, you don't know your team, and you don't know your own coaches.

I was referencing the field at Jurdan-Hair stadium, which is named after that horrible cheater that had to quit after being caught red handed, Pat Die.

I say the field is named after that old, drunk, cheater and you think I am talking about Shug Jordan, wow.

Not only that, but you actually believe that Shug Jordan is in both the Alabama Sports Hall of Fame and the College Football Hall of Fame and Coach Bryant isn't? Somehow, Coach Bryant, who was twice the player and coach than Shug was, didn't manage to get in them both and Shug did.

Are you for real or just lying in the hopes that someone on the board will be uninformed enough to believe you?

Alabama Sports Hall of Fame

http://www.collegefootball.org/famersearch.php Just type in the last name of Bryant on this search.

Seriously, where do you guys come from?

As far as being decent without Coach Bryant, who has won more SEC Championships since his death, Alabama or aubu*n? I will answer this for you because it will just be easier that way. auburn has, they have 1 more than 'Bama.

Who has won more National Championships since the time of his passing? Everyone knows the answer to this one.

Which team has the same amount of SEC Championships as Georgia Tech even though GT left the SEC over 40 years ago? I think everyone knows the answer to this one also and it is quite pitiful. The answer = aubu*n.

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my apologies. i was mistaken. i was under the impression that bryant was not in either one of these halls and i am glad that you have informed me otherwise. i thought you were speaking of shug jordan. when you metioned the field, i thought you were intending the stadium instead. yeah ok. pat dye did do some crazy stuff. and yes he was a cheater but the field is named after him primarily because he lead the tigers to a 30-20 victory over the tide on december 2, 1989 in the first installment of the iron bowl to be played at auburn after 41 consecutive meetings at legion field in Birmingham. just because he was the first to coach the field. and again. my apologies.

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