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cocky4ever

so we just gonna act like Iraq isn't turning back into a giant sh!thole??

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So, when was it nice? you cant change a culture by force

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So, when was it nice? you cant change a culture by force

I think it was halfway alright for about a month and a half at some point. But I agree with your point, and I was thinking about something...it seems like dictators are the only ones who can keep those phaggots in line. Yeah they do fukked up s--t, but they keep things in line for the most part. Democratically elected officials don't have enough at stake over there, and aren't hardcore enough to deal with the kinds of things they'll see. It seems you almost have to have a few people who are insanely wealthy running things who'll form armies to deal with threats in any way necessary, and be over the top ruthless to get the point across. They'll fight hard to maintain status and wealth, and squash most insurgencies before they get out of control. Puppet regimes and volunteer armies just don't care enough to deal with the types of phaggots over there it seems.

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They've fought since Cain and Abel. Its their life.

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Hashtag diplomacy inspires no fear of reprisal and no one respects us anymore.

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This has been the most bumbling dipiaBdfkZ.pngted excuse for foreign policy that the world is ever likely to see. The door greeter at Wal-Mart could do better than King Barack I.

Lets break down the situation and see if everyone here can see what the issue is.

The majority in Syria is Sunni Islam and the minority is Shia Isalm. In Iraq the opposite is true. There's about 1000 years of bad blood and tyrannical oppression of the majority by the minority in each country. The Syrian rebels are Sunni and have extensive ties with multiple extremist groups. The Iraqi gov't is predominately Shia and has a fair number of ties with Iran. We've been systematically arming and training the Syrians for over a year now.

Can everyone see what kind of a damn powder keg we've helped create?

Hell, word this morning is that Iranian troops have moved into Iraq to assist the Iraqis. This has the potential to spiral out of control into a full blown regional war involving every nation there.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jun/14/iran-iraq-isis-fight-militants-nouri-maliki

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How sad is it that there's now jihad against another sect of Islam? I haven't been paying any attention to what's going on (hello boards), but this iaBdfkZ.png is cray.

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The Middle East will always be jacked up.

Still happy SH and OBL are gone.

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Between this, Russian aggressively reforming the USSR and a grossly incompetent US president with a grossly incompetent set of staff advisers this is the outcome.

Either we actively enforce an empty truce via a firm handed local leader/troops on the ground or we actively support the disultion of the nation of Iraq into 3states or we sit back and pray they slaughter each other and leave us alone.

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Obama is doing a great job. All of this iaBdfkZ.png is Bush's fault.

Remember HE killed OBL, HE brought our prison solider home for the small price of 5 terrorists. All of you are just racist.

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Middle-East will always be a iaBdfkZ.png hole. I honestly think it will literally never change.

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Its gonna amount tooo us helping Iran taking over Iraq...

Then then the fun begins....

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When did this become the US's problem to solve? NATO needs to lead not the USA. Isn't this why the United Nations was designed for?

Hashtag diplomacy inspires no fear of reprisal and no one respects us anymore.

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I can't wait for Zartan to tell us how colonialism/imperialism destroyed the Middle East forever.

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When did this become the US's problem to solve? NATO needs to lead not the USA.

Probably when the countries that hate us got ahold of nukes.

Just spitballing here though.

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When did this become the US's problem to solve? NATO needs to lead not the USA.

the President is a Muslim... That's why.
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When did this become the US's problem to solve? NATO needs to lead not the USA. Isn't this why the United Nations was designed for?

Somewhere between world war I and II. And why would NATO get involved? No NATO nation has been attacked. The UN and NATO are 2 very different organizations.

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I can't wait for Zartan to tell us how colonialism/imperialism destroyed the Middle East forever.

Socialist British bastards.

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Somewhere between world war I and II. And why would NATO get involved? No NATO nation has been attacked. The UN and NATO are 2 very different organizations.

Very good. Yes, the NATO and UN are very different organizations. One wages war while the latter tries to prevent war. If and only if the UN agrees to a mitigation strategy that demonstrates a broad participation of troops in a NATO (and only NATO) operation, then the USA should play a part.

However, it is NOT the USA's responsiblity to jump to the rescue of every war torn country.

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Very good, NATO and UN are different organizations. One wages war while the latter tries to prevent war. If and only if the UN agrees to a mitigation strategy that demonstrates a broad participation of troops in a NATO (and only NATO) operation, then the USA should play a part.

However, it is NOT the USA's responsiblity to jump to the rescue of every war torn country.

NATO is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization a mutual defense pact to deter communist/USSR aggression in Europe. They were the counter to the Warsaw Pact Nations.

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Wikipedia is your friend. Only one correction. The Warsaw Pact was created after the UN so it was the counter measure.

NATO is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization a mutual defense pact to deter communist/USSR aggression in Europe. They were the counter to the Warsaw Pact Nations.

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However, it is NOT the USA's responsiblity to jump to the rescue of every war torn country.

Agreed.

After killing off some terrorist leaders, I assume we were just trying to buy some goodwill with the people and others around the world .

Understandable, but I don't think anyone actually expected success.

If they did, they were idiots.

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Wikipedia is your friend.

Being alive for the cold war was the deciding factor in that knowledge. I figured maybe you like so many half your age believe the organization to be something else.

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Very good. Yes, the NATO and UN are very different organizations. One wages war while the latter tries to prevent war. If and only if the UN agrees to a mitigation strategy that demonstrates a broad participation of troops in a NATO (and only NATO) operation, then the USA should play a part.

However, it is NOT the USA's responsiblity to jump to the rescue of every war torn country.

And we had the stomach to be the isolationist nation that could watch the world burn around us by all means I would agree. But we don't and half assing it just isn't a viable option. We have half assed every conflict since Korea and this is the result.

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