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The Cowboy

Why Isn't Kentucky Football Better?

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When you think about it, UK has all the pieces it seems to be a powerhouse athletics program. If I'm not mistaken, doesn't UK basketball generate enough income on it's own to sustain the Athletics Department?

Lexington is a beautiful place to live, it seems recruiting for football should be better. From the perspective of some of you UK guys, what's the hold up with football? Y'all could legit have a top 10 Athletics program in the nation. Why don't you?

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Kentucky packs out their stadium on a pretty regular basis I believe, so the fan support is there.

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Kentucky packs out their stadium on a pretty regular basis I believe, so the fan support is there.

I hear you there. I mean from a success standpoint.

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Hiring good coaches. Kentucky has to show that they are willing to plunk down some cash for solid coaches. A lot of coaching candidates probably see UK football has sucking hind tit to UK basketball, and they don't want to get involved with that. In this conference, you have to commit to football, and even if the fans have, that doesn't mean the university has.

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Hell, the could have had Bear Bryant. When Adolf Rupp got a car for going undefeated and the Bear got a cigarette lighter, iaBdfkZ.png went down hill from there for UK football.

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During the Mizzou, Auburn basketball game they were talking about why a lot of power schools in football aren't good at basketball. One thing they said was players don't want to be overshadowed by the other sport. I think it does make sense and could apply to Kentucky football.

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1.) Not enough D1 talent in the state.

2.) Past coaches couldn't recruit them on a consistent basis out of other states.

3.) Northern most state in the SEC.

Combo of these things is the reason I think we have mostly sucked over the decades.

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1.) Not enough D1 talent in the state.

2.) Past coaches couldn't recruit them on a consistent basis out of other states.

3.) Northern most state in the SEC.

Combo of these things is the reason I think we have mostly sucked over the decades.

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Hell, the could have had Bear Bryant. When Adolf Rupp got a car for going undefeated and the Bear got a cigarette lighter, iaBdfkZ.png went down hill from there for UK football.

It was for winning the conference and it was a watch. Doesn't change the moral of the story. :)

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mizzou-to-sec-map-1024x740.jpg

I was referring to the past decades.

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During the Mizzou, Auburn basketball game they were talking about why a lot of power schools in football aren't good at basketball. One thing they said was players don't want to be overshadowed by the other sport. I think it does make sense and could apply to Kentucky football.

Players or coaches neither one want to be overshadowed. A UK coach basically has to tell the admins what Dan told ours. Don't expect me to deliver consistent 8/9 win seasons in this conference with a CUSA setup.

State then pumped damned near $100,000,000 into football alone.

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It was for winning the conference and it was a watch. Doesn't change the moral of the story. :)

I may have butchered the facts, but the point still stands.

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I may have butchered the facts, but the point still stands.

To be honest I'm not 100% sure any of its true.

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To be honest I'm not 100% sure any of its true.

Me either. But I have heard actual Kentucky fans tell it before....

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If?......is the question for every team.

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I agree with SECats its recruiting. Like Tennessee.. Kentucky doesn't have a lot of in state talent so they would need a coach to recruit nationwide to ever get talent in there that could compete. They may pick up a few players here and there but they haven't had that kind of coaching in longer than I can remember.

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Where to begin with this one? Currently riding shotgun in Columbus on the way to Rochester. Looking out for Zartan, but I don't see any red hammer and sickle flags flying high from the interstate.

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Not only does UK football have to compete with other SEC schools for players that want to play in the South or the SEC specifically, it also has to compete with storied Big 10 teams for the dwindling talent in the North and Midwest.

UF has proven that a school can have both a strong football and basketball program; but it is still quite difficult since most Southern sports fans aren't really into basketball nearly as much as football.

UK was fortunate enough to stake its claim on good basketball early with a great coach; and the areas in and around Indiana and the rest of the Midwest produced tons of talent early on and established itself as a mecca for the sport.

But even at UK the football team makes far more than the basketball team; but I don't think the average UK fan even realizes it.

Last year UK football brought in $30,526,981; basketball earned $23,948,221. http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/InstDetails.aspx?756e697469643d31353730383526796561723d323031322673656172636843726974657269613d3331336435353665363937363635373237333639373437393230366636363230346236353665373437353633366237393236373236343734336433313266333133373266333233303331333432303332336133313333336133353335323034313464267264743d312f31372f3230313420323a31333a353520414d

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Everyone knows that football is the real cash cow but that basketball is the headline sport.

Tennessee has had great coaches that were able to steal southern talent at a pretty good clip until recently. This "recently" has been some of the worst UT Football teams in history.

UF is great in athletics and they are because of the rich talent pool in their state. If a school was only allowed to sign "in state" players...Florida would be at the top of the list of great teams.

It's easy to improve your basketball team. One great recruiting class and BOOM you're there (especially when the coach has the lure of the UK program...it's just different)...see UK from '08-'09 to '09-'10. In other words...even if Stoops is a great coach, it will take him 2-3 more years of Top 20 classes to compete anywhere near the top of the SEC.

It took Cal one month.

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Same reason most schools aren't...talent and coaching. That's not to say Stoops wont do well, but in the past that has been the problem. Joker seemed like a good choice to maintain the stability and momentum, but he just didn't work out. Theres no reason UK can't be a top 20 team, but even if they are they may not be ranked that high just because of the competition they'll see each year.

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Same reason most schools aren't...talent and coaching. That's not to say Stoops wont do well, but in the past that has been the problem. Joker seemed like a good choice to maintain the stability and momentum, but he just didn't work out. Theres no reason UK can't be a top 20 team, but even if they are they may not be ranked that high just because of the competition they'll see each year.

Something most people outside the conference just don't understand. It takes YEARS of sustained outstanding coaching/ recruiting to make any headway at all. Look at USC as an example....it took them a while and they are close and they have a better talent pool.

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back to the pool again? get a booster to hire somebody to go from school to school and find the meanest bastards in junior high, pay the teachers to pass them cause those are the ones that don't make it to high school anyway and develop a new mentality towards football.

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Not only does UK football have to compete with other SEC schools for players that want to play in the South or the SEC specifically, it also has to compete with storied Big 10 teams for the dwindling talent in the North and Midwest.

UF has proven that a school can have both a strong football and basketball program; but it is still quite difficult since most Southern sports fans aren't really into basketball nearly as much as football.

UK was fortunate enough to stake its claim on good basketball early with a great coach; and the areas in and around Indiana and the rest of the Midwest produced tons of talent early on and established itself as a mecca for the sport.

But even at UK the football team makes far more than the basketball team; but I don't think the average UK fan even realizes it.

Last year UK football brought in $30,526,981; basketball earned $23,948,221. http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/InstDetails.aspx?756e697469643d31353730383526796561723d323031322673656172636843726974657269613d3331336435353665363937363635373237333639373437393230366636363230346236353665373437353633366237393236373236343734336433313266333133373266333233303331333432303332336133313333336133353335323034313464267264743d312f31372f3230313420323a31333a353520414d

They do realize it. We've been conditioned to accept mediocre football, we've had UK, the Bengals, and before they came around, the Browns. As long as basketball was good, the fans were happy with football being a tailgating event and nothing more. Then Coach Brooks came along, not much longer after Couch took us to the Outback Bowl, and started producing consistently competitive teams. 6-7 wins became realistic and we saw that this program could do more than just that. Joker lanekiffin.gifed it all up and the fans finally showed they gave a damn about winning. Joker is a Kentucky boy who ended the Tennessee and South Carolina streaks. In Bill Curry's day, the good old boy network would've gotten him a lifetime extension for that.

The difference between Kentucky and Tennessee in football is they have historically made a commitment to football and we have not after Coach Bryant left when he felt like the administration wasn't giving him the level he wanted. Vols and Cats both produce little SEC caliber talent, so Vols have always had it easier to take guys we're after. Stoops has shown intelligence and is walking into high schools in Ohio, Pennsylvania, and in the mid west and getting those guys to come down South to play SEC football.

I have repeatedly said on here Stoops gets a pass through 2015. We need to be beating Vandy, Mississippi State, and Tennessee if they continue to look as awful as they have. With Bobby P back in cahoots with the Dirty Birds, the stakes have been raised tenfold. The rivalry is as tense and hateful as I can recall right now.

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yep, basketball is a "just add water" dinner. sometimes just one recruit can send you from being ranked 50 all the way up to 15.

maybe yall should recruit west Virginia more.

http://r.ddmcdn.com/w_622/u_0/gif/monster_team.jpg

West Virginians are a different breed. Most are fiercely loyal to their state, and with the exception of a small Marshall contingent on our eastern border, that state is Mountaineer from head to toe. Getting a stud HS WV recruit to go anywhere other than Morgantown ain't an easy task. From a Kentuckian's perspective, I'd much rather we swap them with ATM.
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