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You young guys with kids going to school soon better google this and check it out....nuff said for now!

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Dumbing down...

Here's a pretty good write-up from, The Washington Post (of all places)...

"Variously motivated corporate interests, arguing that the core was being sloppily taught, organized a behind-the-scenes campaign to super-standardize it. They named their handiwork the Common Core State Standards to hide the fact that it was driven by policymakers in Washington D.C., who have thus far shoved it into every state except Alaska, Minnesota, Nebraska, Texas, and Virginia.

This was done with insufficient public dialogue or feedback from experienced educators, no research, no pilot or experimental programs — no evidence at all that a floor-length list created by unnamed people attempting to standardize what’s taught is a good idea.

It’s a bad idea. Ignore the fact that specific Common Core State Standards will open up enough cans of worms to keep subject-matter specialists arguing among themselves forever. Consider instead the merit of Standards from a general perspective:

One: Standards shouldn’t be attached to school subjects, but to the qualities of mind it’s hoped the study of school subjects promotes. Subjects are mere tools, just as scalpels, acetylene torches, and transits are tools. Surgeons, welders, surveyors — and teachers — should be held accountable for the quality of what they produce, not how they produce it.

Two: The world changes. The future is indiscernible. Clinging to a static strategy in a dynamic world may be comfortable, even comforting, but it’s a Titanic-deck-chair exercise.

Three: The Common Core Standards assume that what kids need to know is covered by one or another of the traditional core subjects. In fact, the unexplored intellectual terrain lying between and beyond those familiar fields of study is vast, expands by the hour, and will go in directions no one can predict.

Four: So much orchestrated attention is being showered on the Common Core Standards, the main reason for poor student performance is being ignored—a level of childhood poverty the consequences of which no amount of schooling can effectively counter.

Five: The Common Core kills innovation. When it’s the only game in town, it’s the only game in town.

Six: The Common Core Standards are a set-up for national standardized tests, tests that can’t evaluate complex thought, can’t avoid cultural bias, can’t measure non-verbal learning, can’t predict anything of consequence (and waste boatloads of money).

Seven: The word “standards” gets an approving nod from the public (and from most educators) because it means “performance that meets a standard.” However, the word also means “like everybody else,” and standardizing minds is what the Standards try to do. Common Core Standards fans sell the first meaning; the Standards deliver the second meaning. Standardized minds are about as far out of sync with deep-seated American values as it’s possible to get.

Eight: The Common Core Standards’ stated aim — “success in college and careers”— is at best pedestrian, at worst an affront. The young should be exploring the potentials of humanness.

I’ve more beefs, but like these eight, they have to do with the quality of education, and the pursuit of educational quality isn’t what’s driving the present education reform farce.

An illustration: As I write, my wife is in the kitchen. She calls me for lunch. The small television suspended under the kitchen cabinets is tuned to CNN, and Time cover girl Michelle Rhee is being interviewed.

“On international tests,” she says, “the U.S. ranks 27th from the top.”

Michelle Rhee, three-year teacher, education reactionary, mainstream media star, fired authoritarian head of a school system being investigated for cheating on standardized tests, is given a national platform to misinform. She doesn’t explain that, at the insistence of policymakers, and unlike other countries, America tests every kid — the mentally disabled, the sick, the hungry, the homeless, the transient, the troubled, those for whom English is a second language. That done, the scores are lumped together. She doesn’t even hint that when the scores of the disadvantaged aren’t counted, American students are at the top.

If Michelle Rhee doesn’t know that, she shouldn’t be on CNN. If she knows it but fails to point it out, she shouldn’t be on CNN.

It’s hard not to compare Rhee with Jennifer, a friend of my oldest son. He wrote me recently:

…I asked Jenn if she was ready for school.

“I’m waiting for an email from my principal to find out if I can get into my classroom a week early.”

“Why a whole week?”

“To get my room ready.

She teaches second graders. I ask her why she loves that grade. She laughs and says, “Because they haven’t learned to roll their eyes yet.”

But I know it’s much more than that. Her sister was down from Ohio for Jenn’s birthday, and when she asked her what she wanted, Jenn said she needed 18 sets of colored pencils, 18 boxes of #2 pencils, 18 boxes of crayons, construction paper, name tags and so on — $346 dollars total.

She’s been doing this for 25 years. I’m sure she makes less than I do, but they could probably cut her salary 25 or 30% and she’d still want to get into her room early.”

Rhee gets $50,000 a pop plus first-class travel and accommodations for putting in an appearance to tell her audiences what’s wrong with the Jennifers in America’s schools, and what clubs should be swung or held over their heads to scare them into shaping up.

Future historians (if there are any) are going to shake their heads in disbelief. They’ll wonder how, in a single generation, the world’s oldest democracy dismantled its engine — free, public, locally controlled, democratic education.

If they dig into the secretive process that produced the Common Core State Standards, most of their questions will be answered."

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We've been working with it for a couple of years now. It's not dumbing down, its making sh*tty states that dont care about education like mine take the higher standards (though tougher standards wont do too much IMO)

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What that money again goes to in the stimulus, you know, 40 or 50 pages later: Improving collection and use of data. The State will establish a longitudinal data system that includes elements described in Section 604(e)(2)(d) of the America COMPETES Act. So you have to look that up. But that's the key. If you want any money, you have to put together a data collection service. What is the data collection service? Well, this I contend is one of the reasons why we had the turtle tunnels and everything else that everybody talked about. Because it kept you away from things like this: $5 billion.

Now, Arne Duncan, the Secretary of Education, called this a historic opportunity. I call it bribery. Race to the Top gave the federal government billions of dollars to dangle in front of the cash starved states and they dangled and said, 'All you have to do is sign up for this program. You'll get the cash.' And state after state signed.

These databases will track all kinds of personal data, including but certainly not limited to healthcare histories, income information, the religious affiliation of your family, voting family status, blood types, blood test result, homework completion, hair color, eye color, whether a child was premature or not, do they have any birthmarks, even bus stop arrival information. It goes deep, deep. If they have 44 data points, they can tell you an awful lot about they can tell you just pretty much anything. These are hundreds of data points collected on your children for over 20 years. This is the groundwork for a national student database that will track your kids and their personal information from preschool until the stated end of 20.

You better keep checking guys!!!

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We've been working with it for a couple of years now. It's not dumbing down, its making sh*tty states that dont care about education like mine take the higher standards (though tougher standards wont do too much IMO)

Dream on....you've been brain washed already

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Dumbing down...

Here's a pretty good write-up from, The Washington Post (of all places)...

"Variously motivated corporate interests, arguing that the core was being sloppily taught, organized a behind-the-scenes campaign to super-standardize it. They named their handiwork the Common Core State Standards to hide the fact that it was driven by policymakers in Washington D.C., who have thus far shoved it into every state except Alaska, Minnesota, Nebraska, Texas, and Virginia.

This was done with insufficient public dialogue or feedback from experienced educators, no research, no pilot or experimental programs — no evidence at all that a floor-length list created by unnamed people attempting to standardize what’s taught is a good idea.

It’s a bad idea. Ignore the fact that specific Common Core State Standards will open up enough cans of worms to keep subject-matter specialists arguing among themselves forever. Consider instead the merit of Standards from a general perspective:

One: Standards shouldn’t be attached to school subjects, but to the qualities of mind it’s hoped the study of school subjects promotes. Subjects are mere tools, just as scalpels, acetylene torches, and transits are tools. Surgeons, welders, surveyors — and teachers — should be held accountable for the quality of what they produce, not how they produce it.

Two: The world changes. The future is indiscernible. Clinging to a static strategy in a dynamic world may be comfortable, even comforting, but it’s a Titanic-deck-chair exercise.

Three: The Common Core Standards assumethat what kids need to know is covered by one or another of the traditional core subjects. In fact, the unexplored intellectual terrain lying between and beyond those familiar fields of study is vast, expands by the hour, and will go in directions no one can predict.

Four: So much orchestrated attention is being showered on the Common Core Standards, the main reason for poor student performance is being ignored—a level of childhood poverty the consequences of which no amount of schooling can effectively counter.

Five: The Common Core kills innovation. When it’s the only game in town, it’s the only game in town.

Six: The Common Core Standards are a set-up for national standardized tests, tests that can’t evaluate complex thought, can’t avoid cultural bias, can’t measure non-verbal learning, can’t predict anything of consequence (and waste boatloads of money).

Seven: The word “standards” gets an approving nod from the public (and from most educators) because it means “performance that meets a standard.” However, the word also means “like everybody else,” and standardizing minds is what the Standards try to do. Common Core Standards fans sell the first meaning; the Standards deliver the second meaning. Standardized minds are about as far out of sync with deep-seated American values as it’s possible to get.

Eight: The Common Core Standards’ stated aim — “success in college and careers”— is at best pedestrian, at worst an affront. The young should be exploring the potentials of humanness.

I’ve more beefs, but like these eight, they have to do with the quality of education, and the pursuit of educational quality isn’t what’s driving the present education reform farce.

An illustration: As I write, my wife is in the kitchen. She calls me for lunch. The small television suspended under the kitchen cabinets is tuned to CNN, and Time cover girl Michelle Rhee is being interviewed.

“On international tests,” she says, “the U.S. ranks 27th from the top.”

Michelle Rhee, three-year teacher, education reactionary, mainstream media star, fired authoritarian head of a school system being investigated for cheating on standardized tests, is given a national platform to misinform. She doesn’t explain that, at the insistence of policymakers, and unlike other countries, America tests every kid — the mentally disabled, the sick, the hungry, the homeless, the transient, the troubled, those for whom English is a second language. That done, the scores are lumped together. She doesn’t even hint that when the scores of the disadvantaged aren’t counted, American students are at the top.

If Michelle Rhee doesn’t know that, she shouldn’t be on CNN. If she knows it but fails to point it out, she shouldn’t be on CNN.

It’s hard not to compare Rhee with Jennifer, a friend of my oldest son. He wrote me recently:

…I asked Jenn if she was ready for school.

“I’m waiting for an email from my principal to find out if I can get into my classroom a week early.”

“Why a whole week?”

“To get my room ready.

She teaches second graders. I ask her why she loves that grade. She laughs and says, “Because they haven’t learned to roll their eyes yet.”

But I know it’s much more than that. Her sister was down from Ohio for Jenn’s birthday, and when she asked her what she wanted, Jenn said she needed 18 sets of colored pencils, 18 boxes of #2 pencils, 18 boxes of crayons, construction paper, name tags and so on — $346 dollars total.

She’s been doing this for 25 years. I’m sure she makes less than I do, but they could probably cut her salary 25 or 30% and she’d still want to get into her room early.”

Rhee gets $50,000 a pop plus first-class travel and accommodations for putting in an appearance to tell her audiences what’s wrong with the Jennifers in America’s schools, and what clubs should be swung or held over their heads to scare them into shaping up.

Future historians (if there are any) are going to shake their heads in disbelief. They’ll wonder how, in a single generation, the world’s oldest democracy dismantled its engine — free, public, locally controlled, democratic education.

If they dig into the secretive process that produced the Common Core State Standards, most of their questions will be answered."

Keep digging...Google David Coleman...Bill Gates....Eli Broad

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Dream on....you've been brain washed already

Whatever you say, Governor Wallace.

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Whatever you say, Governor Wallace.

OK, Mr. Obama or could it be Jesse Jackson

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OK, Mr. Obama or could it be Jesse Jackson

Naw...

with his thought processes, he's more like Charlie Rangel.

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OK, Mr. Obama or could it be Jesse Jackson

Hahahahaha.

I call you a segregationist and you call me a president and civil rights leader.... Thanks?

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President only in name...more like failure for our country....socialist.....hand-outs for all

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President only in name...more like failure for our country....socialist.....hand-outs for all

This is why the GOP can't win elections. This is your base.

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So the Feds offered states money to opt in and they pretty much all took it. Arizona was the 47th to opt in Friday. The reason that the program is needed is because states have monkeyed with graduation requirements so much that it only takes a 9th or 10th grade education to graduate (most likely because of no child left behind). The old HS diploma ain't worth what it used to be.

The new requirements are meant to provide a consistent scale to evaluate the preparedness of students. Really in one sense this may hurt some schools, but with the increases in private and charter schools it may also to be a way to evaluate the quality of education children are getting across systems and state lines.

They are mandating that 70% of literature be nonfiction. That has lit teachers in an uproar as it should considering that nonfiction is also known as history.

I saw some stuff that indicated that Common Core was meant to better prepare people for trade vocations than promote reading and learning. What else am I missing?

Also someone was saying that it was 30% tougher so I was wondering if it was not just another cog in the wheel of education privatization. Although that is my soap box I do not know if that is a/the motive of common core.

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So the Feds offered states money to opt in and they pretty much all took it. Arizona was the 47th to opt in Friday. The reason that the program is needed is because states have monkeyed with graduation requirements so much that it only takes a 9th or 10th grade education to graduate (most likely because of no child left behind). The old HS diploma ain't worth what it used to be.

The new requirements are meant to provide a consistent scale to evaluate the preparedness of students. Really in one sense this may hurt some schools, but with the increases in private and charter schools it may also to be a way to evaluate the quality of education children are getting across systems and state lines.

They are mandating that 70% of literature be nonfiction. That has lit teachers in an uproar as it should considering that nonfiction is also known as history.

I saw some stuff that indicated that Common Core was meant to better prepare people for trade vocations than promote reading and learning. What else am I missing?

Also someone was saying that it was 30% tougher so I was wondering if it was not just another cog in the wheel of education privatization. Although that is my soap box I do not know if that is a/the motive of common core.

Calling it "tougher" would be relative to what your school already teaches, but I can tell you this. I teach at the flagship of my district which is in the top 3-5 of every category and one of the best performing districts in the state, and this stuff is going to be a lot tougher for my kids. It just goes to show you how education can't be left to the states anymore. What does it matter to be at a good school if that school is in a s--tty state education wise?

lanekiffin.gif states rights on education. 2 plus 2 is the same in South Carolina as it is in Wisconsin.

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Education should be on the local level and not run by the Federal Government or Big Business....man this country is so messed up. Better wake up before it's too late.

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Calling it "tougher" would be relative to what your school already teaches, but I can tell you this. I teach at the flagship of my district which is in the top 3-5 of every category and one of the best performing districts in the state, and this stuff is going to be a lot tougher for my kids. It just goes to show you how education can't be left to the states anymore. What does it matter to be at a good school if that school is in a s--tty state education wise?

lanekiffin.gif states rights on education. 2 plus 2 is the same in South Carolina as it is in Wisconsin.

What do you wan to see happen with education and why?

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What do you wan to see happen with education and why?

Take a look at the states and other countries. See what works and what doesn't. Stop letting the states that don't care about education allow their kids to fall by the wayside. Standardize how teachers are evaluated so we can identify those that need to get better and those that need to be fired. I'll be the first to admit that some people get into teaching an half ass it for 30 years. Get rid of those people and start pulling in skilled people from other areas to teach more trade courses for those that won't need as much academics. Stop making how old a kid is and where they live the main determining factors in their education. Google Sir Ken Robinson and look at his Ted talks on education. Common core is a good first step, but we've got to come out of the 20th century mindset to educated our kids for today's world.

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Tougher standards mean some kids will fail. Are we as a nation ready to deal with that?

I ask because the teachers are not going to get better and I se no reason why the students are suddenly going to be able to preform.

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Data and track students all you want to.....but there are smart kids...average kids...... and there are dumb A$$es...nothing in education is going to change this. Just the way it is!!! See it for over 30 years!!! You can't make Chicken Salad out of Chicken s--t....wake up USA!!!

You have a great school system....they will come....you don't and they won't!!! Inter cities don't and that is why they fail!!! Who wants to teach a bunch of kids by day who are criminals by night!!!

Wake up USA......and Anchordown

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Tougher standards mean some kids will fail. Are we as a nation ready to deal with that?

I ask because the teachers are not going to get better and I se no reason why the students are suddenly going to be able to preform.

Amen Brother...teachers are getting out of education in droves. Major problem is coming in the teaching world.....who is going to do it????

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Tougher standards mean some kids will fail. Are we as a nation ready to deal with that?

I ask because the teachers are not going to get better and I se no reason why the students are suddenly going to be able to preform.

To paraphrase and butcher an Einstein quote, kids that fail are stupid in the same way a fish is stupid because it can't climb a tree. Yes, kids will fail in some areas, but that doesn't mean they are worthless. Some of the "dumbest" kids ever have gone on to be great members of society. No one cares if a soldier can't do calculus or if a fireman has ever read Romeo and Juliet. Some kinds need to work with their hands, others work best alone or in groups. You start giving teachers the tools to see where a kid should be focusing their talents and you'll have a lot less "failures"

You make the teachers better with more training and allowing them to do their job of educating instead of just focusing on one outcome that everyone must fit.

Look at it like football. All you need to do to win in football is score more than the other guy, right? Well what if I told you from now on, the Vols must have at least 2 tds, a field goal, 2 sacks, and most total yards to win? You'd say that's bull. Those things are nice but even if you win a game 3 to 0, you still win and that's all that matters. Stop making the kid that wants to work with animals pass a geometry test. You could turn him into a Vet if you focused on where his talents are. That the problem with education right now. It all all made to give you one kind of student. Fit the mold or fail. Start giving people all the opinions in education that they have in life and that failure rate will plummet.

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To paraphrase and butcher an Einstein quote, kids that fail are stupid in the same way a fish is stupid because it can't climb a tree. Yes, kids will fail in some areas, but that doesn't mean they are worthless. Some of the "dumbest" kids ever have gone on to be great members of society. No one cares if a soldier can't do calculus or if a fireman has ever read Romeo and Juliet. Some kinds need to work with their hands, others work best alone or in groups. You start giving teachers the tools to see where a kid should be focusing their talents and you'll have a lot less "failures"

You make the teachers better with more training and allowing them to do their job of educating instead of just focusing on one outcome that everyone must fit.

Look at it like football. All you need to do to win in football is score more than the other guy, right? Well what if I told you from now on, the Vols must have at least 2 tds, a field goal, 2 sacks, and most total yards to win? You'd say that's bull. Those things are nice but even if you win a game 3 to 0, you still win and that's all that matters. Stop making the kid that wants to work with animals pass a geometry test. You could turn him into a Vet if you focused on where his talents are. That the problem with education right now. It all all made to give you one kind of student. Fit the mold or fail. Start giving people all the opinions in education that they have in life and that failure rate will plummet.

Hey good post...totally agree

Heck in my county they expect each and every kid to make 24 on the ACT and go to college......just plain crazy!!!

Tech Schools are needed very badly!!

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To paraphrase and butcher an Einstein quote, kids that fail are stupid in the same way a fish is stupid because it can't climb a tree. Yes, kids will fail in some areas, but that doesn't mean they are worthless. Some of the "dumbest" kids ever have gone on to be great members of society. No one cares if a soldier can't do calculus or if a fireman has ever read Romeo and Juliet. Some kinds need to work with their hands, others work best alone or in groups. You start giving teachers the tools to see where a kid should be focusing their talents and you'll have a lot less "failures"

You make the teachers better with more training and allowing them to do their job of educating instead of just focusing on one outcome that everyone must fit.

Look at it like football. All you need to do to win in football is score more than the other guy, right? Well what if I told you from now on, the Vols must have at least 2 tds, a field goal, 2 sacks, and most total yards to win? You'd say that's bull. Those things are nice but even if you win a game 3 to 0, you still win and that's all that matters. Stop making the kid that wants to work with animals pass a geometry test. You could turn him into a Vet if you focused on where his talents are. That the problem with education right now. It all all made to give you one kind of student. Fit the mold or fail. Start giving people all the opinions in education that they have in life and that failure rate will plummet.

Wasnt that the justification for Ted Kennedy's No Child Left Behind?

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